Dealers paid to give in-home quotes ??

jgrove24 · Joined: 23 Feb 2008 Posts: 2

After having 3 contractors spend 1-1.5 hrs giving quotes for systems,
I have to believe that they are
somehow getting paid by the factories to give quotes...say $50-$75 a
visit.

Otherwise, this could be done in 30-45 minutes. Best line so far,
Brand X does work for Nasa, ergo their systems get crossover design
benefits..Haaaa.

JG

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Noon-Air · Joined: 07 Aug 2007 Posts: 363

wrote in message @28g2000hsw.googlegroups.com...
> After having 3 contractors spend 1-1.5 hrs giving quotes for systems,
> I have to believe that they are
> somehow getting paid by the factories to give quotes...say $50-$75 a
> visit.
>
> Otherwise, this could be done in 30-45 minutes. Best line so far,
> Brand X does work for Nasa, ergo their systems get crossover design
> benefits..Haaaa.

We are not paid to give "estimates" this usually takes about 10 minutes,
however when we do the engineering to correctly size and design a system for
the customers home, and lay out a complete comfort and controls package,
this is going to take several hours and yes its going to cost several
hundred dollars that can be credited towards the purchase of the new system.
If the contractor cannot, or will not give what he tells you in writing,
then show him the door.

becauseofjunk · Joined: 11 Feb 2008 Posts: 12

>
> We are not paid to give "estimates" this usually takes about 10 minutes,
> however when we do the engineering to correctly size and design a system for
> the customers home, and lay out a complete comfort and controls package,
> this is going to take several hours and yes its going to cost several
> hundred dollars that can be credited towards the purchase of the new system.
> If the contractor cannot, or will not give what he tells you in writing,
> then show him the door.

The HVAC industry has changed so much over the years since I started.

In my state, I am required to do a Manual J and a Manual D to quote
and install a residential job regardless if it is a retro fit or new
construction. (I use software now but it all translates to the
same..Manual J and Manual D). This is a time consuming process even
with the aid of a computer. I am actually happy to hear that you have
contractors in your home, spending the time to listen and make
adjustmetns...and yes...you may hear differing opinions on what your
needs are. This is a benefit to you, not us. We are not paid per
quota from manufactures, we are only rewarded by satisfied, lifetime
customers. Those not following this guideline are at risk of being
sued or losing their license through the state by not planning the job
right regardless of the quality of workmanship they provide (I have
seen some installs that were worthy of pictures but did not fit the
application). You already know not to trust the contractor who says
"trust me", nor should you trust the other contractor who says, "I'll
do what he says but at lower price." If they aren't willing to do
their homework, how can you trust that they will provide you the best
system and support?

Zyp · Joined: 22 Aug 2007 Posts: 275

becauseofjunk@mailcan.com wrote:
>> We are not paid to give "estimates" this usually takes about 10
>> minutes, however when we do the engineering to correctly size and
>> design a system for the customers home, and lay out a complete
>> comfort and controls package, this is going to take several hours
>> and yes its going to cost several hundred dollars that can be
>> credited towards the purchase of the new system. If the contractor
>> cannot, or will not give what he tells you in writing, then show him
>> the door.
>
> The HVAC industry has changed so much over the years since I started.
>
> In my state, I am required to do a Manual J and a Manual D to quote
> and install a residential job regardless if it is a retro fit or new
> construction. (I use software now but it all translates to the
> same..Manual J and Manual D). This is a time consuming process even
> with the aid of a computer. I am actually happy to hear that you have
> contractors in your home, spending the time to listen and make
> adjustmetns...and yes...you may hear differing opinions on what your
> needs are. This is a benefit to you, not us. We are not paid per
> quota from manufactures, we are only rewarded by satisfied, lifetime
> customers. Those not following this guideline are at risk of being
> sued or losing their license through the state by not planning the job
> right regardless of the quality of workmanship they provide (I have
> seen some installs that were worthy of pictures but did not fit the
> application). You already know not to trust the contractor who says
> "trust me", nor should you trust the other contractor who says, "I'll
> do what he says but at lower price." If they aren't willing to do
> their homework, how can you trust that they will provide you the best
> system and support?

becauseofjunk;

What state are you in [beside confusion?]

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Zyp