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Marc O'Brien



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PostPosted: Tue Feb 26, 2008 10:30 am    Post subject: Einstein Letters about Faith Reply with quote

Einstein:-

It was, of course, a lie what you read about my religious convictions,
a lie which is being systematically repeated. I do not believe in a
personal God and I have never denied this but have expressed it
clearly. If something is in me which can be called religious then it
is the unbounded admiration for the structure of the world so far as
our science can reveal it.

I am a deeply religious nonbeliever. This is a somewhat new kind of
religion.
I have never imputed to Nature a purpose or a goal, or anything that
could be understood as anthropomorphic. What I see in Nature is a
magnificent structure that we can comprehend only very imperfectly,
and that must fill a thinking person with a feeling of humility. This
is a genuinely religious feeling that has nothing to do with
mysticism.

The idea of a personal God is quite alien to me and seems even naive.

========================

Letter in Reply to Einstein Typical of those of the Religious Minds:-

We respect your learning, Dr Einstein; but there is one thing you do
not seem to have learned: that God is a spirit and cannot be found
through the telescope or microscope, no more than human thought or
emotion can be found by analyzing the brain. As everyone knows,
religion is based on Faith, not knowledge. Every thinking person,
perhaps, is assailed at times with religious doubt. My own faith has
wavered many a time. But I never told anyone of my spiritual
aberrations for two reasons: (1) I feared that I might, by mere
suggestion, disturb and damage the life and hopes of some fellow
being; (2) because I agree with the writer who said, 'There is a mean
streak in anyone who will destroy another's faith.' ... I hope, Dr
Einstein, that you were misquoted and that you will yet say something
more pleasing to the vast number of the American people who delight to
do you honor.

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jamesgangnc



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PostPosted: Tue Feb 26, 2008 12:46 pm    Post subject: Re: Einstein Letters about Faith Reply with quote

On Feb 26, 8:30 am, "Marc O'Brien" wrote:
> Einstein:-
>
> It was, of course, a lie what you read about my religious convictions,
> a lie which is being systematically repeated. I do not believe in a
> personal God and I have never denied this but have expressed it
> clearly. If something is in me which can be called religious then it
> is the unbounded admiration for the structure of the world so far as
> our science can reveal it.
>
> I am a deeply religious nonbeliever. This is a somewhat new kind of
> religion.
> I have never imputed to Nature a purpose or a goal, or anything that
> could be understood as anthropomorphic. What I see in Nature is a
> magnificent structure that we can comprehend only very imperfectly,
> and that must fill a thinking person with a feeling of humility. This
> is a genuinely religious feeling that has nothing to do with
> mysticism.
>
> The idea of a personal God is quite alien to me and seems even naive.
>
> ========================
>
> Letter in Reply to Einstein Typical of those of the Religious Minds:-
>
> We respect your learning, Dr Einstein; but there is one thing you do
> not seem to have learned: that God is a spirit and cannot be found
> through the telescope or microscope, no more than human thought or
> emotion can be found by analyzing the brain. As everyone knows,
> religion is based on Faith, not knowledge. Every thinking person,
> perhaps, is assailed at times with religious doubt. My own faith has
> wavered many a time. But I never told anyone of my spiritual
> aberrations for two reasons: (1) I feared that I might, by mere
> suggestion, disturb and damage the life and hopes of some fellow
> being; (2) because I agree with the writer who said, 'There is a mean
> streak in anyone who will destroy another's faith.' ... I hope, Dr
> Einstein, that you were misquoted and that you will yet say something
> more pleasing to the vast number of the American people who delight to
> do you honor.

I agree with Einstein. But just about all religons have a well
intentioned moral code that if followed generally results in a better
society.
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Marc O'Brien



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PostPosted: Tue Feb 26, 2008 6:06 pm    Post subject: Re: Einstein Letters about Faith Reply with quote

On Feb 26, 3:46 pm, jamesgangnc wrote:
> On Feb 26, 8:30 am, "Marc O'Brien" wrote:
>
>
>
>
>
> > Einstein:-
>
> > It was, of course, a lie what you read about my religious convictions,
> > a lie which is being systematically repeated. I do not believe in a
> > personal God and I have never denied this but have expressed it
> > clearly. If something is in me which can be called religious then it
> > is the unbounded admiration for the structure of the world so far as
> > our science can reveal it.
>
> > I am a deeply religious nonbeliever. This is a somewhat new kind of
> > religion.
> > I have never imputed to Nature a purpose or a goal, or anything that
> > could be understood as anthropomorphic. What I see in Nature is a
> > magnificent structure that we can comprehend only very imperfectly,
> > and that must fill a thinking person with a feeling of humility. This
> > is a genuinely religious feeling that has nothing to do with
> > mysticism.
>
> > The idea of a personal God is quite alien to me and seems even naive.
>
> > ========================
>
> > Letter in Reply to Einstein Typical of those of the Religious Minds:-
>
> > We respect your learning, Dr Einstein; but there is one thing you do
> > not seem to have learned: that God is a spirit and cannot be found
> > through the telescope or microscope, no more than human thought or
> > emotion can be found by analyzing the brain. As everyone knows,
> > religion is based on Faith, not knowledge. Every thinking person,
> > perhaps, is assailed at times with religious doubt. My own faith has
> > wavered many a time. But I never told anyone of my spiritual
> > aberrations for two reasons: (1) I feared that I might, by mere
> > suggestion, disturb and damage the life and hopes of some fellow
> > being; (2) because I agree with the writer who said, 'There is a mean
> > streak in anyone who will destroy another's faith.' ... I hope, Dr
> > Einstein, that you were misquoted and that you will yet say something
> > more pleasing to the vast number of the American people who delight to
> > do you honor.
>
> I agree with Einstein.  But just about all religons have a well
> intentioned moral code that if followed generally results in a better
> society.

Although there are also a lot of people like me that believe people,
on their own, have steered human morals back on track by slowly, one
by one, laying aside the more evil and inhumane morals taught by
religions. For example the Bible suggest that parent should kill
disobedient off spring, or that one can sell one's oldest daughter
into slavery and so forth. Some religions still stone people to death
for the most trivial crimes such as having a quick shag before
marriage.

Chimpanzees have more Darwinian moral codes than does the Judeo-
Christian Bible. Us humans, today, have done, on our own accord, much
much more for morals than had the Bible.

The Bible was written by man and reflected what men thought what was
right in their time. Much of what was right in their time is now
considered wholly immoral and often even criminal.

Man is fighting back for better morals.
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Stormin Mormon



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PostPosted: Tue Feb 26, 2008 9:23 pm    Post subject: Re: Einstein Letters about Faith Reply with quote

Dear Brother Einstein,
You should study with the Mormons. God is a Spirit who happens to have a
body of flesh and bone like you and I. We wish you the best of luck in your
pursuits.

--
Christopher A. Young
Learn more about Jesus
www.lds.org
..


"Marc O'Brien" wrote in message @i12g2000prf.googlegroups.com...
Einstein:-

It was, of course, a lie what you read about my religious convictions,
a lie which is being systematically repeated. I do not believe in a
personal God and I have never denied this but have expressed it
clearly. If something is in me which can be called religious then it
is the unbounded admiration for the structure of the world so far as
our science can reveal it.

I am a deeply religious nonbeliever. This is a somewhat new kind of
religion.
I have never imputed to Nature a purpose or a goal, or anything that
could be understood as anthropomorphic. What I see in Nature is a
magnificent structure that we can comprehend only very imperfectly,
and that must fill a thinking person with a feeling of humility. This
is a genuinely religious feeling that has nothing to do with
mysticism.

The idea of a personal God is quite alien to me and seems even naive.

========================

Letter in Reply to Einstein Typical of those of the Religious Minds:-

We respect your learning, Dr Einstein; but there is one thing you do
not seem to have learned: that God is a spirit and cannot be found
through the telescope or microscope, no more than human thought or
emotion can be found by analyzing the brain. As everyone knows,
religion is based on Faith, not knowledge. Every thinking person,
perhaps, is assailed at times with religious doubt. My own faith has
wavered many a time. But I never told anyone of my spiritual
aberrations for two reasons: (1) I feared that I might, by mere
suggestion, disturb and damage the life and hopes of some fellow
being; (2) because I agree with the writer who said, 'There is a mean
streak in anyone who will destroy another's faith.' ... I hope, Dr
Einstein, that you were misquoted and that you will yet say something
more pleasing to the vast number of the American people who delight to
do you honor.
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Marc O'Brien



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PostPosted: Tue Feb 26, 2008 9:54 pm    Post subject: Re: Einstein Letters about Faith Reply with quote

Stormin Mormon wrote:
> Dear Brother Einstein,
> You should study with the Mormons. God is a Spirit who happens to have a
> body of flesh and bone like you and I. We wish you the best of luck in your
> pursuits.

What should Einstein study with the Mormans? Physics? Does your god
lecture on physics.

Einstein was very smart. Perhaps a savant of sorts. He predicted a few
very novel things before people were even willing to accept they might
be true and even before experiments existed to varify them. Among his
predictions was the one that there was no such thing as a personal
God.

As Dawkin's says, the god of the first testament is arguably the most
unpleasant character of all fiction. Jealous and proud of it, a petty
un-just, unforgiving control freak. A vindictive blood thirsty ethnic
cleanser, a mysogynistic, homophobic, racist, infanticidal, genocidal,
filicidal, pestilential, megalomaniac, sadomasochistic, capricious,
malevolent bully!

And he plagiarised only 10 of the many commandments from the Egyptian
book of the dead.

The guy is a criminal. Needs some earthly moral training and therapy.
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PostPosted: Wed Feb 27, 2008 3:13 am    Post subject: Re: Einstein Letters about Faith Reply with quote

Next time, don't hold back.

--
Christopher A. Young
Learn more about Jesus
www.lds.org
..


"Marc O'Brien" wrote in message @i12g2000prf.googlegroups.com...

As Dawkin's says, the god of the first testament is arguably the most
unpleasant character of all fiction. Jealous and proud of it, a petty
un-just, unforgiving control freak. A vindictive blood thirsty ethnic
cleanser, a mysogynistic, homophobic, racist, infanticidal, genocidal,
filicidal, pestilential, megalomaniac, sadomasochistic, capricious,
malevolent bully!
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PostPosted: Wed Feb 27, 2008 4:31 am    Post subject: Re: Einstein Letters about Faith Reply with quote

On Feb 27, 3:13 am, "Stormin Mormon"
wrote:
> Next time, don't hold back.

With the truth? Never!

> Christopher A. Young
> Learn more about Jesus
>  www.lds.org
> .
>
> "Marc O'Brien" wrote in message
>
> @i12g2000prf.googlegroups.com...
>
> As Dawkin's says, the god of the first testament is arguably the most
> unpleasant character of all fiction. Jealous and proud of it, a petty
> un-just, unforgiving control freak. A vindictive blood thirsty ethnic
> cleanser, a mysogynistic, homophobic, racist, infanticidal, genocidal,
> filicidal, pestilential, megalomaniac, sadomasochistic, capricious,
> malevolent bully!

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